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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2020 12:00 am    Post subject: What Mafia 1 versions exist? Reply with quote

Hello, I'm collecting all mafia 1 releated things (Patches, information, images etc...) and i'm done collecting all patches released but i found some info about 1.3... Is that the Steam and GOG versions? That would make sense to me. Also, would anyone be interested if i release my collection of mafia things? I'm also considering to make a wiki page update for the game including patches, what patches changed, beta stuff etc...
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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2020 10:07 am    Post subject: What Mafia 1 versions exist? Reply with quote

1.0 of course, the original version. Probably the nicest looking due to some changes in 1.1.

1.1 is the only official patch. Changes several odd things, solves a couple of minor issues. For example, in 1.0 drivers parking cars and opening their doors into traffic are immovable objects and you can suddenly run into one while driving. In 1.1 you can clip through the door and actor, which makes driving nicer if slightly less "cinematic." But eye animations were removed in 1.1 Sarcastic

1.0 and 1.1 have different file structures and therefore a lot of mods won't work on both.

1.2 and 1.3 aren't English patches. But, they have been sold as English copies. I believe they may be localizations of 1.1. There may be small file differences as acknowledged by some tools, but it's pretty much 1.1 compatible. Good luck finding a change list; as I said, these patches don't exist.

As for the differences, I recommend a quick search, it's a good read Laughing




Well...I did a search just now and I don't like what I see. Mainly, we seem to be missing a bunch of topics. Are we culling topics here to save space? Cause this here

http://mafiascene.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9912&highlight=paper+clip

should be a fine list of differences between 1.1 and 1.0, and it's not. It's nothing. It does remind me of the "paper clip" difference. There are no paper clips in 1.1.

I hardly see the point of going to the trouble of doing research and typing things out if your post's just going to vanish for no reason several months later. -_-

Maybe someone with more knowledge and enthusiasm can bridge the gap; I wonder.
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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2020 12:32 pm    Post subject: What Mafia 1 versions exist? Reply with quote

About the 1.1 patch removing eye animations... I have Czech retail 1cd version (Kolekce Klasiky [Gray Casing]) of mafia (should be 1.2 version) and eye animations are there, characters like Ralph blink.

1.2 patches i have are from mafia-game.cz and mafia-game.com and are the original patches and there is a lot of versions including english version but like you said, could just be localizations of 1.1.

Differences between 1.0 and 1.2 are paperclips like you said, when choosing car for Freeride there are preview images, sniper mode button gets unbinnds after every restart, Force feedback changed, linear/unlinear driving changed. That's all i know about differences.

Patches for 1.1 are for Versions: English, France, Germany

Patches for 1.2 are for Versions: Brazil, Czech, English, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, Poland, Spain

Oh and BTW the server which hosted mafia 1 patches is still online but only German patches are on it (1.1 and 1.2) ftp://ftp.take2.de/patches/
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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2020 1:29 pm    Post subject: What Mafia 1 versions exist? Reply with quote

Did a little research and found that patches 1.1 and 1.2 are different. This is why you thought 1.2 is just localization of 1.1. 1.2 has 9 languages but 1.1 has only 3.

patches 1.1 (english, german, french)
Sometime between 27th November 2002 and 7th February 2003 (Just an estimation)

Czech patch 1.2
15th August 2003

Other language patches of 1.2 (German, English, Brazil, Fracne, Italy, Japan, Poland, Spain)
8th August 2005

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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2020 8:29 am    Post subject: Re: What Mafia 1 versions exist? Reply with quote

risan wrote:
Did a little research and found that patches 1.1 and 1.2 are different. This is why you thought 1.2 is just localization of 1.1. 1.2 has 9 languages but 1.1 has only 3.


No no no. Forget that jazz. Rephrase the question. In the English version, what does 1.2 change? No one has ever answered that question.
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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2020 9:44 am    Post subject: What Mafia 1 versions exist? Reply with quote

Version 1.1 adds car images and collision to that racing track shortcut and some collision in the prison (MISE17-VEZENI)

Version 1.2 changes something in scene2.bin for mission MISE16-KRAJINA

there are also differences in Game.exe, Setup.exe and LS3DF.dll
(I think this is because of updated LS3D Engine or bug fixes)
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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2020 2:51 pm    Post subject: What Mafia 1 versions exist? Reply with quote

risan wrote:

Hello, I'm collecting all mafia 1 releated things (Patches, information, images etc...) and i'm done collecting all patches released but i found some info about 1.3... Is that the Steam and GOG versions? That would make sense to me.

Hm I don't think v1.3 is a thing. I think the DVD release was labelled as 1.3 by some people but it's effectively v1.2.

The GOG/Steam release is a monkey-patched 1.2 which has been patched to disable loading of the music .dta package.

risan wrote:

Also, would anyone be interested if i release my collection of mafia things? I'm also considering to make a wiki page update for the game including patches, what patches changed, beta stuff etc...

Yeah I think a wiki would be great for that.

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1.1 is the only official patch. Changes several odd things, solves a couple of minor issues. For example, in 1.0 drivers parking cars and opening their doors into traffic are immovable objects and you can suddenly run into one while driving. In 1.1 you can clip through the door and actor, which makes driving nicer if slightly less "cinematic." But eye animations were removed in 1.1
Sarcastic

v1.1 also fixes sound issues for some (integrated?) audio chips. Here's the official changelog (found by Muggy): http://mafiascene.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=127420#127420

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Well...I did a search just now and I don't like what I see. Mainly, we seem to be missing a bunch of topics. Are we culling topics here to save space? Cause this here

http://mafiascene.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9912&highlight=paper+clip

should be a fine list of differences between 1.1 and 1.0, and it's not. It's nothing. It does remind me of the "paper clip" difference. There are no paper clips in 1.1.

I hardly see the point of going to the trouble of doing research and typing things out if your post's just going to vanish for no reason several months later. -_-

I think it's an issue with the forum software or the database. There're a bunch of topics that have gone missing for some reason but I don't think they've been deliberately pruned or something.
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PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2020 4:17 am    Post subject: Re: What Mafia 1 versions exist? Reply with quote

risan wrote:
Version 1.2 changes something in scene2.bin for mission MISE16-KRAJINA

there are also differences in Game.exe, Setup.exe and LS3DF.dll
(I think this is because of updated LS3D Engine or bug fixes)


"Something?"

"Bug fixes?"

Ehh. I'll do you one better. Where's the patch? Where do you get it? How do you update 1.1? You can't even point to a changelog to substantiate this idea, because there is no changelog, because there is no patch.

There's nothing wrong with 1.2 apparently, but it's very unclear if it does anything differently. I am interested in this Krajina (what part is that?), maybe that could be a way to find a difference; something to do with Morello's AI?

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I think it's an issue with the forum software or the database. There're a bunch of topics that have gone missing for some reason but I don't think they've been deliberately pruned or something.


There's a phpBB tool for pruning topics that haven't been updated in [integer] but as you say, that doesn't seem right. I see some old topics (but generally very few). Maybe worth asking Chris; there should be about 10,000 topics and I see around 900 in the forum index. Can't just have people's topics disappearing. Confused
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PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2020 7:23 am    Post subject: What Mafia 1 versions exist? Reply with quote

I don't remember in which version that was, but in one of the versions i noticed that cars get damage textures when they hit something (other cars, ...). I remember that clearly because it looks very nice, especially for a game that old, to have dynamic projections on non static objects. Something that I don't even see a lot nowadays. I think this feature is not on every version of the game. But I might be wrong.

Mafia was ahead of it's time. I mean, they even had real-time reflections!! (they can be seen on some puddles in some missions, as well as on the mirror in the villa-mission.)
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PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2020 1:00 pm    Post subject: What Mafia 1 versions exist? Reply with quote

I know what you're talking about! It's like scratchs on the car... I think it has to be on version 1.0 because it doesn't happen on 1.2
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PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2020 9:19 pm    Post subject: Re: What Mafia 1 versions exist? Reply with quote

Hunter wrote:

"Something?"

"Bug fixes?"

Ehh. I'll do you one better. Where's the patch? Where do you get it? How do you update 1.1? You can't even point to a changelog to substantiate this idea, because there is no changelog, because there is no patch.

I have two patches for the english version of Mafia in my archive:

mafia_patch_1-1_eng.exe:
Code:

   Date      Time    Attr         Size   Compressed  Name
------------------- ----- ------------ ------------  ------------------------
2003-03-17 09:53:10 D....            0            0  Patch
2003-03-18 09:30:06 ....A       153718         8488  Patch\00000000.016
2003-03-18 09:30:06 ....A       308278        16338  Patch\00000000.256
2003-03-13 12:21:04 ....A     14646134      9057230  Patch\a8.dta
2002-10-18 15:23:56 ....A       377856       129473  Patch\binkw32.dll
2003-03-18 09:30:04 ....A        23552        12289  Patch\DrvMgt.dll
2003-03-13 18:26:18 ....A      3126402      2301174  Patch\Game.exe
2002-09-11 14:32:12 ....A      1899984      1763754  Patch\Logo3.bik
2003-02-04 17:58:24 ....A       864256       303325  Patch\LS3DF.dll
2003-03-13 11:38:40 ....A       233472        67077  Patch\Patch.exe
2003-03-18 09:30:04 ....A        12464         6665  Patch\SECDRV.SYS
2002-11-07 15:52:56 ....A        98358        38557  Patch\setup.exe
2003-02-06 14:31:34 ....A      3951813      3784813  bilboard0.dta
2003-02-20 18:45:52 ....A        12246        12088  isdata.dta
2003-03-13 11:38:40 ....A       233472        67077  Patch.exe
------------------- ----- ------------ ------------  ------------------------
2003-03-18 09:30:06           25942005     17568348  14 files, 1 folders

mafia_patch_1.2_eng.exe:
Code:

   Date      Time    Attr         Size   Compressed  Name
------------------- ----- ------------ ------------  ------------------------
2003-03-13 11:38:40 ....A       233472        71518  Patch.exe
2003-02-06 14:31:34 ....A      3951813      3784909  bilboard0.dta
2003-06-30 16:43:42 ....A        12246        12087  isdata.dta
2003-08-14 17:17:54 D....            0            0  Patch
2003-08-14 16:35:26 ....A       153718         9776  Patch\00000000.016
2003-08-14 16:35:26 ....A       308278        17209  Patch\00000000.256
2003-07-01 10:06:16 ....A     15386679      9669212  Patch\a8.dta
2002-10-18 15:23:56 ....A       377856       129557  Patch\binkw32.dll
2003-08-14 16:35:26 ....A        23552        12291  Patch\DrvMgt.dll
2003-06-30 16:35:22 ....A      3130609      2304048  Patch\Game.exe
2002-09-11 14:32:12 ....A      1899984      1763948  Patch\Logo3.bik
2003-06-24 15:27:16 ....A       872448       305789  Patch\LS3DF.dll
2003-03-13 11:38:40 ....A       233472        71518  Patch\Patch.exe
2003-08-14 16:35:26 ....A        12464         6671  Patch\SECDRV.SYS
2002-11-07 15:52:56 ....A        98358        38609  Patch\setup.exe
------------------- ----- ------------ ------------  ------------------------
2003-08-14 17:17:54           26694949     18197142  14 files, 1 folders

As you can see there're substantial changes in size for Game.exe, LS3DF.dll (the engine) and a8.dta. To find out more we'd have to diff them which I'm too lazy to do right now. It could be an interesting addition to the wiki, though.

v1.2 definitely uses a different engine version than v1.1 and you can't mix and match Game.exe and LS3DF.dll from the two updates.

Hunter wrote:

I am interested in this Krajina (what part is that?), maybe that could be a way to find a difference; something to do with Morello's AI?

MISE16-KRAJINA is the countryside part of the mission (Manhunt).

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I don't remember in which version that was, but in one of the versions i noticed that cars get damage textures when they hit something (other cars, ...).

I just booted up v1.1 and it seems scratches were removed in that version.
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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2020 2:55 am    Post subject: Re: What Mafia 1 versions exist? Reply with quote

ASM. wrote:

v1.2 definitely uses a different engine version than v1.1 and you can't mix and match Game.exe and LS3DF.dll from the two updates.


You're reiterating what risan said. But if you have the patch, of course we can find the differences.

It's telling that no one has ever published them before.
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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2020 1:27 pm    Post subject: What Mafia 1 versions exist? Reply with quote

I have all the official patches... and i want to make custom patches for 1.0 versions (downgrade patch)

Download link for my collection of patches: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Ux4BIKULGqxVDnteZrtlwC0EOY_g3YUX/view?usp=sharing
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2020 3:23 am    Post subject: What Mafia 1 versions exist? Reply with quote

Man, I didn't know that version 1.3 doesn't exist as a standalone patch but only as the new default version for the DVD-ROM, Steam and GOG versions. What a bummer, I downloaded a trainer for ver. 1.3 with very good cheat options and I can't use it with the game I installed from the ver. 1.2 CDs. Guess I'm sticking to using the in-game cheats and the free trainer I downloaded for the game then.
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