| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
AsaSK
Mafiascene Veteran Modder
Joined: 24 Feb 2013
Posts: 773
Location: London, England
13774 Bank Notes
Items
|
|
Yeah it's good we have those locations basically unchanged, I think that one you weren't sure about might be the transition between Little Italy and Works Quarter. It's interesting that in the earlier stages there appeared to be no gesture animations, just walking and standing - both in T-poses (the modern kind).
_________________
The official Mafioso Mod thread |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
daviunic
Junior Member
Joined: 18 May 2015
Posts: 28
68 Bank Notes
Items
|
|
| AsaSK wrote: | | Yeah it's good we have those locations basically unchanged, I think that one you weren't sure about might be the transition between Little Italy and Works Quarter. It's interesting that in the earlier stages there appeared to be no gesture animations, just walking and standing - both in T-poses (the modern kind). |
Well speaking of animations, there was no animation for entering and leaving the car either. You just suddenly popped in and out of the car.  |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
AsaSK
Mafiascene Veteran Modder
Joined: 24 Feb 2013
Posts: 773
Location: London, England
13774 Bank Notes
Items
|
|
| daviunic wrote: | | AsaSK wrote: | | Yeah it's good we have those locations basically unchanged, I think that one you weren't sure about might be the transition between Little Italy and Works Quarter. It's interesting that in the earlier stages there appeared to be no gesture animations, just walking and standing - both in T-poses (the modern kind). |
Well speaking of animations, there was no animation for entering and leaving the car either. You just suddenly popped in and out of the car. |
I remember watching that vid for the first time and thinking 'man that's clunky' 
_________________
The official Mafioso Mod thread |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
daviunic
Junior Member
Joined: 18 May 2015
Posts: 28
68 Bank Notes
Items
|
|
Since we started talking about various locations in early builds, here's plenty shots of the farm:
        
And Carlo's appartment with this unknown guy walking around:
 
Downtown church:
  |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
AsaSK
Mafiascene Veteran Modder
Joined: 24 Feb 2013
Posts: 773
Location: London, England
13774 Bank Notes
Items
|
|
A lot of these former protagonists from that certain stage of early development are also still around, named 'GangsterXX'. In the Carlo's apartment shots that's 'Gangster04', but 'Gangster01' is also frequently seen as the protagonist in a lot of shots specific to this development era.
_________________
The official Mafioso Mod thread |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
daviunic
Junior Member
Joined: 18 May 2015
Posts: 28
68 Bank Notes
Items
|
|
More shots of Salieri's Bar:
  
This third one is closer to the final, notice the difference in wall color (which changed again later), chairs, addition of ceiling fans, rounded corner of the counter, ashtrays on the tables, only four bar stools instead of five...
LH Airport:
The trees are different, so are ground textures, no hangar in the background.
   
These are somewhat closer to the final.
Inside:
     |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Hunter
Senior Member
Joined: 21 Mar 2013
Posts: 360
2260 Bank Notes
Items
|
|
| AsaSK wrote: |
The screenshots that have always fascinated me the most are the Palermo Club ones. The location appears in some of the Alpha(?) footage with the old reticle targeting system, and those screens showing the rooms and roof are absolutely fascinating. Such a shame it was stripped down and only used as an end-mission location in Moonlighting..
|
"After our heist, we will hide at the Palermo Club in Hoboken."
That sounds great...I wonder what will happen when we get there.
Well, it's a big empty room and nothing happened. Tommy and Paulie talked for a few seconds. 
| Quote: | | Well speaking of animations, there was no animation for entering and leaving the car either. You just suddenly popped in and out of the car. Sticking out tongue |
Yeah, that's how they used to do it. IIRC that's how it was in H&D, and GTA also. Today it seems sloppy, but back then it was just standard procedure to skip the animation.
But they still do it in MAFIA on less interactive environments. For instance, you're running around with a shotgun, and open a door magically without reaching for the handle, or even pausing in your run. Or go to a phone booth and stand there like a statue while you press the action button. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
daviunic
Junior Member
Joined: 18 May 2015
Posts: 28
68 Bank Notes
Items
|
|
More prosecutor's villa:
  
I think the chandelier in the dining room is different.
Steamboat:
 
I think it's missing some decorations at the top, some colors and the design at the back could also be a bit different.
These are from a somewhat later version:
     |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
AMadeMan
Senior Member
Joined: 23 May 2017
Posts: 355
Location: United States
469 Bank Notes
Items
|
|
| The walkway for the Lost Heaven Queen at the bow is not hoisted up. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Illusion_Insanity
New Member
Joined: 22 Jun 2018
Posts: 7
14 Bank Notes
Items
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
AsaSK
Mafiascene Veteran Modder
Joined: 24 Feb 2013
Posts: 773
Location: London, England
13774 Bank Notes
Items
|
|
The varying times of day are interesting, though most likely just done for press - I can't imagine mission 14 originally had a dynamic sky/lighting system or anything like that.
_________________
The official Mafioso Mod thread |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
huckleberrypie
Member
Joined: 08 Aug 2014
Posts: 164
334 Bank Notes
Items
|
|
| AsaSK wrote: | | The varying times of day are interesting, though most likely just done for press - I can't imagine mission 14 originally had a dynamic sky/lighting system or anything like that. |
Wouldn't that call for a dozen or so lightmaps in lieu of a dynamic/realtime shadow system? I know later games like The Sims 3 can do quasi-real time shadowing by regenerating indoor light maps ad hoc. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
AsaSK
Mafiascene Veteran Modder
Joined: 24 Feb 2013
Posts: 773
Location: London, England
13774 Bank Notes
Items
|
|
| huckleberrypie wrote: | | AsaSK wrote: | | The varying times of day are interesting, though most likely just done for press - I can't imagine mission 14 originally had a dynamic sky/lighting system or anything like that. |
Wouldn't that call for a dozen or so lightmaps in lieu of a dynamic/realtime shadow system? I know later games like The Sims 3 can do quasi-real time shadowing by regenerating indoor light maps ad hoc. |
Yeah it would have, re-baked every few minutes. Definitely not something the LS3D engine is capable of!
_________________
The official Mafioso Mod thread |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
huckleberrypie
Member
Joined: 08 Aug 2014
Posts: 164
334 Bank Notes
Items
|
|
| AsaSK wrote: | | huckleberrypie wrote: | | AsaSK wrote: | | The varying times of day are interesting, though most likely just done for press - I can't imagine mission 14 originally had a dynamic sky/lighting system or anything like that. |
Wouldn't that call for a dozen or so lightmaps in lieu of a dynamic/realtime shadow system? I know later games like The Sims 3 can do quasi-real time shadowing by regenerating indoor light maps ad hoc. |
Yeah it would have, re-baked every few minutes. Definitely not something the LS3D engine is capable of! |
Not to mention it would be too taxing for the hardware if it was baked in real time. An atlas of lightmaps would be a compromise, but at the cost of hard drive space and memory. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
daviunic
Junior Member
Joined: 18 May 2015
Posts: 28
68 Bank Notes
Items
|
|
Well maybe they thought about it, but if you consider they had to keep changing the city, reduce texture quality, etc. to optimize the game so they could meet their target requirements, it's obvious why it wasn't done.
When you read some early interviews it really feels like this game was quite ahead of its time in some areas but at the same time constrained by the hardware that was available back then (as well as prolonged development time obviously).
Anyway, here's a location I'm not sure where it is:
First I thought it's at the airport, then the hallway down to Yellow Pete's shop, but neither of those seem likely now. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
|
FAQ
Board Rules
Search
Lottery
Roulette
Usergroups
Register
Profile
Log in to check your private messages
Shop
Log in
