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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 5:16 am    Post subject: Looking back: Mafia hype in the year 2000 Reply with quote

Doing a little bored browsing the other evening I discovered some interesting articles from a couple of sites, featuring talk of Mafia on the early LS3D engine vs. Insanity 2, the 'free multiplayer patch to be released soon after the game', assets then copied from Hidden & Dangerous 2, 'Pulp Fiction'-style dialogue, city & countryside racetrack circuits, story but current lack of voice actors, fifty characters, having to build the city three times from scratch, the original planned release of late 2000, and more. There's some revealing stuff in there you might not have known about - take a look!

Preview #1 - MafiaWorld [archived]
Preview #2 - Neoseeker

Side note: In researching this I also came across a cool little article comparing the technology and engines behind Mafia 1, II & III, so check that out too (needs translating unless you read Spanish).
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 9:27 pm    Post subject: Looking back: Mafia hype in the year 2000 Reply with quote

Seems like Mafia truly was going to be the forefather of open-world sandbox games, which it should've been.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 3:39 am    Post subject: Looking back: Mafia hype in the year 2000 Reply with quote

It seems like every Mafia game has been guilty of having cut content at some point. Of course, Mafia 2 is the worst offender by far. Truly a shame when you find out even the best game in the series is guilty of it too, to a degree. Needless to say, Mafia still is a good game on its own and is able to carry its own weight even with the cut content, not like Mafia 2, where the cut content literally made a difference between it being a AAA masterpiece, or just being mediocre, but enjoyable.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2017 1:41 am    Post subject: Looking back: Mafia hype in the year 2000 Reply with quote

While watching the videos linked in AsaSK's An analysis of that famous promotional picture thread I stumbled across this video which I don't remember having seen before:

It shows Daniel Vavra showing around the IS office and on some screens one can see the LS3D (?) editor in action (well, sort of).
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2017 2:47 am    Post subject: Re: Looking back: Mafia hype in the year 2000 Reply with quote

ASM. wrote:
While watching the videos linked in AsaSK's An analysis of that famous promotional picture thread I stumbled across this video which I don't remember having seen before:

It shows Daniel Vavra showing around the IS office and on some screens one can see the LS3D (?) editor in action (well, sort of).


It doesn't display for me.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2017 5:46 am    Post subject: Re: Looking back: Mafia hype in the year 2000 Reply with quote

AMadeMan wrote:
ASM. wrote:
While watching the videos linked in AsaSK's An analysis of that famous promotional picture thread I stumbled across this video which I don't remember having seen before:

It shows Daniel Vavra showing around the IS office and on some screens one can see the LS3D (?) editor in action (well, sort of).


It doesn't display for me.


Link fixed Smile

Great find, ASM! Looks to be late 2001, final stages of Beta. You can also see the Tutorial at 1:05, without the tower blocks at the side. Looks like it was originally a parking lot or testing ground. Their LS3D editor doesn't look that different to MWE, either..
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2017 11:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Looking back: Mafia hype in the year 2000 Reply with quote

What's also interesting to see is that the game could apparently be played right in the editor.

I'm wondering what it is that can be seen at ~04:30. Path nodes?

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Their LS3D editor doesn't look that different to MWE, either..

The interface of MWE was inspired by the official LS3D editor, for the better or worse. Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 10:15 pm    Post subject: Looking back: Mafia hype in the year 2000 Reply with quote

Ah Sticking out tongue
Yeah I think you're right, the video's low-res but check nodes do look rather likely..



I also thought what he did with the camera when he ran the game from the editor later on was interesting, reminded me a little of how MexeR operates.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:32 pm    Post subject: Looking back: Mafia hype in the year 2000 Reply with quote

Overdoze over at betaarchive.com has assembled a collection of pre-release screenshots (~350 in total). Here is a link to his post.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:23 pm    Post subject: Looking back: Mafia hype in the year 2000 Reply with quote

Woah, there's even some there I haven't seen.. I wanted to make a post grouping these by hypothesised development stage, just haven't had the time to do it yet. Great archive!
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:50 am    Post subject: Looking back: Mafia hype in the year 2000 Reply with quote

TBH I didn't realise that Mafia 1 used navmeshes for peds.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 10:26 am    Post subject: Looking back: Mafia hype in the year 2000 Reply with quote

Great collection.
The early attempts at the UI (as seen here and here) and the bad English (here) are gold Very happy
A lot of other very interesting pictures aswell.
A cool picture is this one. I really like the atmosphere.
The pavement texture here is also interesting.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 3:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Looking back: Mafia hype in the year 2000 Reply with quote

haista__ wrote:
Great collection.
The early attempts at the UI (as seen here and here) and the bad English (here) are gold Very happy
A lot of other very interesting pictures aswell.
A cool picture is this one. I really like the atmosphere.
The pavement texture here is also interesting.


All links broken Thinking
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 3:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Looking back: Mafia hype in the year 2000 Reply with quote

AsaSK wrote:
haista__ wrote:
Great collection.
The early attempts at the UI (as seen here and here) and the bad English (here) are gold Very happy
A lot of other very interesting pictures aswell.
A cool picture is this one. I really like the atmosphere.
The pavement texture here is also interesting.


All links broken Thinking


Possibly to stop direct hotlinking to the pictures themselves
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 4:01 pm    Post subject: Looking back: Mafia hype in the year 2000 Reply with quote

Hi, I'm Overdoze at BetaArchive. I've apparently had this account here for a while but forgot about it and I couldn't make a new one due to the captcha not working. Oh well...


Anyway, the links got broken because I'm still reorganizing things a bit. I'm still looking for screenshots and when I find a better copy, I replace the existing one and the link breaks as a result. I originally wanted to put all screenshots in a zip file, but that'd mean I'd have to repackage things every time I made an update, so I figured it'd be best to just link to a cloud folder.

I don't know of any better solution at this time, if you do please let me know. In the mean time, I'd suggest you don't link directly to the images, in case things change again. Instead, link only to the folder or upload the image in question elsewhere and link to that.

And considering I now have access to this site again, I might move the topic here if that's fine with you folks.
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