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PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2017 5:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Mafia Actually Really Remastered (By You, Not Yet) Reply with quote

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It's not about bones but morphs. Fast 2 hours proof of concept: http://mafiascene.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=127938#127938


Well, finally somebody competent. Smile Tell me more!
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2017 5:47 pm    Post subject: Mafia Actually Really Remastered (By You, Not Yet) Reply with quote

I have simply mesh smoothed main hand and one of morphs responsible for holding glass like in that cutscene, exported them, converted morph mesh into morph and hex pasted both into tommy taxi driver model. It's important to make sure that morph verticles IDs are corresponding to the same verticles IDs of main hand model.

I'm surprised no one did it, it's was easy to figure out and to make Sticking out tongue Whole character model can be made into HD using this method.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2017 8:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Mafia Actually Really Remastered (By You, Not Yet) Reply with quote

Duelist wrote:
I have simply mesh smoothed main hand and one of morphs responsible for holding glass like in that cutscene, exported them, converted morph mesh into morph and hex pasted both into tommy taxi driver model. It's important to make sure that morph verticles IDs are corresponding to the same verticles IDs of main hand model.

I'm surprised no one did it, it's was easy to figure out and to make Sticking out tongue Whole character model can be made into HD using this method.

interesting where did u get this knowledges
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 1:08 am    Post subject: Re: Mafia Actually Really Remastered (By You, Not Yet) Reply with quote

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..converted morph mesh into morph and hex pasted both into tommy taxi driver model


That. Is clever.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 1:48 am    Post subject: Mafia Actually Really Remastered (By You, Not Yet) Reply with quote

So HQ character models are possible! Thank you for sharing this information! You'd be great help with this mod.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2017 10:38 am    Post subject: Mafia Actually Really Remastered (By You, Not Yet) Reply with quote

Hehe, thanks, no problem Smile

I have created rest of the poses for both hands, just have to convert and test them. I was also looking at other character models. Regarding cutscene ones (with HIGH in name) all but Sarah uses same hands model but most of them without that one pose for holding the glass. So these ones can be easily replaced. All other characters + Sarah would require a lot more work becouse their hands are part of their base body model.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2017 11:38 am    Post subject: Re: Mafia Actually Really Remastered (By You, Not Yet) Reply with quote

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So these ones can be easily replaced.


Well, very nice indeed! Thank you for this. Now we only need those competent modellers. Smile Anyway, if you put any high quality parts of the characters together, I will gladly add them to the list and build, even unfinished...

Btw, as Harry noted, it would surely be possible to automate the process of the conversion somehow...
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2017 8:10 pm    Post subject: Mafia Actually Really Remastered (By You, Not Yet) Reply with quote

Who's Harry? Sticking out tongue

For the hands mesh into morph you mean? It is automated... somewhat Very happy I have created excel template which does all the magic. I'm just imputing vertexes in hex and voilŗ Very happy I hope you didn't think I was doing it manualy XD Although for pasting them into character models I'd have to do it manualy, but that's not that much of work. I tried to write a 010 Editor script for copy/paste stuff from one file to another but I couldn't get it to work.

Before I start doing it I recall that one patch changed these models, something about the eyes. But I don't remember which and I don't remember which eyes were better - after or before patch. So is it worth to copy them to both versions or just choose the better one (but which Sticking out tongue)?
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2017 8:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Mafia Actually Really Remastered (By You, Not Yet) Reply with quote

Duelist wrote:
Who's Harry?

Harryís the guy who made all of the models. I substitute here for him too, since heís even more engaged in his school affairs than I am. But this got him talking. Smile He would also be more competent in what youíre talking about rather than me, but thatís how it is. Competent people already do stuff.

I know what eyes you mean. Damn... Iím going to offend somebodyís good will again, like I did in the initial post... We looked around at other remastering attempts back then and those alien eyes made us angry. Smile I canít find it now for the life of me, but I think it was only a matter of textures... High models of characters have separate eye textures, so I believe it was only a texture change, unrelated to modeling.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2017 9:13 pm    Post subject: Mafia Actually Really Remastered (By You, Not Yet) Reply with quote

Ah, ok Smile I browsed this page few times thinking that I omitted a post.

No, models were changed, 1.0s have modeled eyeballs and one more mesh behind eyes which I'm not sure what is supposed to do - maybe eyes depth? While 1.2s eyeballs are just 3 vertexes and no additional mesh.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2017 11:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Mafia Actually Really Remastered (By You, Not Yet) Reply with quote

Duelist wrote:
eyeballs

Well, donít know anything about those. Unless they were those I thought were made only using a different texture, which might be these from here http://forum.mafia-game.ru/showthread.php?t=2109 only the link there is dead. Anyway! If it were those, then I would build on the original characters. But what do I know... Whatís the plan? You only want to put the hands on, or would you like to look at some other parts as well?

Btw, those automated scripts along with some instructions could be useful in general for people who want to change characters. You might get some cookies in an individual thread... Smile

*Edit: Oh, I think get it now! You mean the original game patch changed the models as well. Differences in version 1.0 and 1.2. Well... interesting. But that makes more sense now. Donít know about that too, though. Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2017 10:54 am    Post subject: Mafia Actually Really Remastered (By You, Not Yet) Reply with quote

indeed , u need an own topic and youtube tutorials Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2017 12:45 am    Post subject: Re: Mafia Actually Really Remastered (By You, Not Yet) Reply with quote

Honza_B wrote:
I thought were made only using a different texture, which might be these from here http://forum.mafia-game.ru/showthread.php?t=2109 only the link there is dead.

I forgot refresh links in that thread
HQ Characters - https://cloud.mail.ru/public/BHp5/UuAwTuicW
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2017 4:49 pm    Post subject: Mafia Actually Really Remastered (By You, Not Yet) Reply with quote

I have pasted hands into 3 models to check how it looks: http://mafiascene.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=127982#127982 . After pasting and running game for the first time I noticed that left hand had flipped normals... Impossible That was seriously pissing off Sticking out tongue I'm also not sure if I shouldn't remake them a bit to make knuckles stand out more Thinking

Yes, I meant official game patches. I wanted to write tutorials on everything I learned in that one year but the moment I think about it I'm like http://nooooooooooooooo.com/ . For the tutorial on hd models read below.

My positive attitude on whole models into hd also was a bit rushed. I was looking at it and there are 3 problems;
1. Excel cell cannot contain that many characters (yeah I know XD) so input would have to be split which I guess would be doable but not that convenient. Or excel would have to be ditched altogether.
2. This one might be important. I have noticed something that I didn't before; bones have assigned some verticles to them with some data. But not by either ID or XYZ pos. More like min/max area but I didn't check that.
3. A matter of craftsmanship. Original morphs contains only verticles that has its xyz pos changed in relation to the base model. Looking at hands example, 97 verts base model, 89 verts in morphs. The ones that aren't changing are at the base of hand model, hidden in the sleeve. I have changed them all since it wasn't that much of a difference but for facial morphs where out of ~1100 verts only 24 are changed it won't cut.

On a bright side, my method still holds true Sticking out tongue I'll try to make some proof of concept without morps or something to at least see what's about point 2.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:19 am    Post subject: Mafia Actually Really Remastered (By You, Not Yet) Reply with quote

I want to offer you a new model of phone in Salieri's bar.



Original phone it's just a box with blurred texture, this model is real produces and used in the USA in 1920-1950 years.
It's not exactly the vision of MARR, but impossible to create, a "final version" of a model that consists of a few boxes.
I think in this case better use a realistic model.



HD Phone - https://cloud.mail.ru/public/ADHk/V9383FkVz
Author: Staghound
Lightmaps for some cutscenes: Firefox3860



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